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Motoxpro · Nov 04, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

I was wondering what you guys thought of this build http://www.rpgexpert.com/4826.html and the new nightfall monk skill Watchful healing for a boon prot monk.

skillsbas8 · Nov 14, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Dual mind shock is very common in TA, and it will destroy your monk without either protective sprit or protective bond.

Zui · Nov 15, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by skillsbas8

Dual mind shock is very common in TA, and it will destroy your monk without either protective sprit or protective bond.

Are you serious? I've seen that maybe, 3-4 times. Never, ever needed PS or SB to beat it.

Disruption = win. Since disruption can be used against everything it's better than PS/SB, which are essentialy trash because thy aren't even close to worth the energy cost or even the skill slot in TA.

Carth` · Nov 15, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Mind Shock is good in RA/TA because exhaustion doesn't matter so much. You Mind Shock your target over and over, he gets knocked down over and over (+decent damage split into two chunks). You end up with hardly any energy left, but if everyone is dead it doesn't matter.

A good monk can survive a RaO thumper with Bestial Mauling, a shock warrior with Eviscerate and an assassin with Temple Strike, but that doesn't mean those are bad builds. I see bad monks fall to a necro using Life Transfer, Life Siphon, Vampiric Gaze and nothing else, but that doesn't make it a good build.

Btw the link doesn't work for me, is this thread even about Mind Shock?

I can't see your build.

Zui · Nov 15, 2006, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Carth`

Mind Shock is good in RA/TA because exhaustion doesn't matter so much. You Mind Shock your target over and over, he gets knocked down over and over (+decent damage split into two chunks). You end up with hardly any energy left, but if everyone is dead it doesn't matter.

You're assuming their team sucks and they don't ever disrupt Mind Shock, so you win before your Elementalists are exhausted out, or right as they are exhausted out. Too bad descent teams bring and use interrupts. Playing only to beat poor teams quickly is for the most part stupid, and if you're going to do so you should honestly just run Shoveway, because it beats those teams faster.

On a side note, what was the need to re-state what Mind Shock does? Did you just have to go look it up, and decided to re-state it to try and impress someone?

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Originally Posted by Carth`

A good monk can survive a RaO thumper with Bestial Mauling, a shock warrior with Eviscerate and an assassin with Temple Strike, but that doesn't mean those are bad builds. I see bad monks fall to a necro using Life Transfer, Life Siphon, Vampiric Gaze and nothing else, but that doesn't make it a good build.

There's a huge difference between needing to bring special counters that are almost always total trash to beat dual Mind Shock and what you mentioned.

In both cases, any team that doesn't suck at Guild Wars already has very basic counters to both, that work on many different teams too! For Melees, it's called meleehate, and every single descent team that plays Team Arenas has some. For Mind Shock, it's called interrupts. Any team entering Team Arenas without interrupts is simply not going to win against most teams. Interrupts are at an absolute premium in skirmish situations, like every single game in Team Arenas is. A single or Shock, for example is far more versatile than Protective Spirit. Shock can be used for disrupting any spell or skill, or for snaring someone, or for preventing a caster such as a Monk from casting while you're spiking them. Protective Spirit on the other hand is only really worthwhile in the scenario where someone is getting spiked with a massive amount of damage, and needs a good amount of mitigation. Of course, in Arenas Prot Spirit won't mitigate much damage at all, because there's not much spike, and what spike there is, well, you might mitigate an entire 20-30 damage with that prot spirit! Making it absolute trash that you're almost never going to use.

Although, I fail to find much reason for you pointing out what you did... I also find it a flawed point becuase you're contrasting poor players against good players. If you want a good point you'd really have to be talking abuot good players only. Oh and what's the reason you brought it up anyway? Because, I don't see how it relates in any way shape or form to Mind Shock elementalists being common in Team Arenas(which THEY ARE ABSOLUTLY NOT), or with the point that disrupting Mind Shock > Prot Spiriting it.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

Btw the link doesn't work for me, is this thread even about Mind Shock?

I can't see your build.

No, infact it has *absolutly* nothing to do with Mind Shock. There's not even an Elementalist in the build. Infact, the OP even has Protective Spirit in his build, so I have absolutly no idea at all what mr "you need prot spirit" was talking about...

Drewfense · Nov 15, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

rofl...forums are so funny sometimes. The mind shock conversation is really random. So is the comment that a monk should bring protective bond. As a side note PS would do almost nothing to mind shock, to a large extent the point of all the mind spells doing split damage is to undermine prot spirit. SB would work. Myself, if I do RA/TA I rarely bring either. There really isn't spikes to prevent (I used to bring shield hands instead, nowadays I would bring shield of absorption).

Anyways...returning to the original intent of the post...Watchful Healing on a boon prot or any monk at that. I have seen some Korean guilds use it on their BLights, but it seems like a pretty random skill. +4 regen for 10 seconds is only 80 health so it is less than gift. If it healed the bonus when it ended (may it be from removal or 10 seconds) then I could see it being useful. If it had a 1/4 cast time, then I could see using it to cover PS/SB, but still eh (god bless SoA). I just don't really see a useful function for it. Versus pressure I would take Gift of Health or a booned Guardian/SoA any day before I opted for Watchful Healing.

Carth` · Nov 22, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by Zui

On a side note, what was the need to re-state what Mind Shock does? Did you just have to go look it up, and decided to re-state it to try and impress someone?

How does that impress anyone? I wasn't re-stating anything, I was saying it once. I don't know what your problem is.

You like interrupting, we get it. No need to be so insulting.